Talk:Joseph, King of Courland
The entire Greyspine Crisis part is horifically biased and at times incorrect..
The entire section is actually correct. The person playing the young count char was downed in pvp and he /d 40'd or was popped instantly. we asked him to return to continue rp however he claimed him /d40'ing was us killing him in rp which is completely unfair. We spoke with a gm to confirm this at the time -wapples.
wow wow calm down lego. this is a discussion page, don't undo what I've said. now you guys are claiming that seannie and the other guy ok'd? Right well both of them were killed in pvp, and both of them /d 40'd and refused to return to rp. They /don't/ decide if they died after pvp, rather we get to rp with them and either apprehend them or kill them. They robbed us of this chance, refused to return and said that they pk'd, creating a shitty rp story that we killed an 8 yr old kid. Now idgaf if they made some stupid rp post, they abused the rp situation, nobody killed them, they decided themselves that they would pk from pvp to make us look like the villains. That is why I made this rp section so that it is fair, you guys in ooc used the whole killing an 8yr old to you advantage in rp, however in rp it didn't happen so to make the most rp sense out of it I wrote that. I'm very happy for you guys to contribute in a useful way, however forcing rp on this page that didn't actually happen is not useful int he slighted. If you guys persist I can get gms involved to validate my position
I'm sorry Lego, stop editing my characters wiki page without discussing those changes here, this is beginning to get ridiculous.
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Lego: Look pvp was called yet they didn't want to return as they were pking.
We lost 15 people at the wc, courland was that inept
I'd like if you'd say the actual history as Courland lost a lot of troops, the Count, and his Uncle were killed at the Court. I like the rest of it it's just those small things also Stephen wasn't Marius successor he was his brothers as his brother died by illness a few months after his fathers death.
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Wapples; You have just admitted that they did exactly what they are not permitted to do. We tried to apprehend them, they call defender pvp, we down them then they pk????? what??? in what world does us going to apprehend two people go to you deciding that you're gona pk because you forced us into pvp? You have forcing shit rp onto us, and that is completely unfair and against the rules. As such, I'm going to leave that section as it is and I suggest you leave it, as your argument is null.
As for the war claim, I know as a fact more than 15 people were killed. I have a recording of myself killing a minimum of 8 people, and have seen other videos of other people killing many on the Ruthern side.
As for the Stephan thing, I apologise and will leave it as you edited it as I'm not entirely clued up on the Barbanov family tree and all that. Thanks for that edit.
Now uhh Destinator, could you please make a verdict on this young count killing thing? I can have a gm confirm to you that /d 40'ing after pvp and claiming that you were pk'd is against the rules if you are unsure. Many thanks in advance
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Lego: It's still the choice of the player to pk or not they both decided to pk, and that's what they did.
https://wikia.lordofthecraft.net/index.php?title=Second_Battle_of_the_Rothswood
This was made by Edel
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Wapples; It is not the choice of the player to pk after they have been downed in pvp. We tried to pick the pair up and continue rp, however they deliberately /d 40'd to escape the rp and created their own rp of them being harshly slaughtered at court. They forced this shitty rp situation on us, and you claim that they have the right to tell us that we killed them? No they don't, they decided to escape the rp, we asked them to return, so we get to decide what happens as the left. I have made the rp very fair, and am open to fair suggestions though there is no way that you are forcing me to say that my character killed this pair when that rp never happened.
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Lego: I was there myself, and they knew that you might kill them but they went to the Court to say what they thought needed to be said. Plus, swords were drawn after hostile words were said pvp being called. A GM was present there and if he thought something was wrong he would of brought him back or something. You've also mentioned nobody killed them yet you say they were down, and if they d40'd they could of bled out.
Actually another thing is read the Second Battle of the Rothswood and add back the people in that list it wasn't just Hordes of Dunamis, Rutherns, and Lothangria. So please read the wiki page.
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Wapples; Sorry hostile words? The count refused to meet our demands so I ordered his arrest, Seannie's char then began hostilities and called defender pvp default. Our intention was to apprehend the count, not to harm him any way and you guys decided to pvp, which we then won and then wished to continue as if we had successfully apprehended him. That is what pvp is for. It is not always to determine who dies, but rather who wins the conflict and as we only wished to apprehend him he would have been apprehended at the end of the pvp as we won. He instead d 40'd and claimed that he pk'd which is blatant power gaming, and the gm told us to deal with it in role-play. Which we did, we rp'd that we took him, put him under house-arrest and we rp'd that you made claims that we had him killed, which is role-play!!! that is what I say in the wiki page, that you guys made claims that we killed him but in reality we didn't. For the last time, you can't force shitty rp onto us. How would you like it if a 5 year old boy walked up to the emperor, then the emperor went to apprehend him for trespassing, pvp ensued and the guy playing the boy lost, d40'd and claimed the emperor killed an innocent little child. Sound fair? no it doesn't, and it's exactly like what you're trying to force on us here.
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Lego: You ordering for an arrest is hostile towards the Count, and his uncle ordered for us to defend the Count and pvp was called. Also the child was 8, and he might of tried to help out as his uncle who was killed. One of your guys could of done something cause when your fighting in a cluster in a small space it's difficult. This happened months ago, and everyone agreed and saw that Joseph killed the Count. If you say that you said that you'd like to continue rp then the GM watching should of known and told Tiber not to d40 or tp him back. Joseph ordered for his arrest but the Rutherns took arms causing a clash between the both parties and the Count was killed in the middle of it all.
Since I gotta go very soon we'll just end the conversation here and have Destinator to make the decision
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Wapples; This is going to be my final response before heading to bed. Lego, you're claiming that because we pvp'd you believe that there was a chance that rp'ly the young count could have been caught in the cross-fire? right well that's completely ridiculous. PVP does NOT equal RP combat. when we pvp, my Minecraft char hitting you, isn't me in roleplay hitting you. if such was the case I could slice you 6x with an axe, you eat some steak and you're all good and fine without any injuries. One again, pvp does not equal rp. PVP is used to solve hostile situations, and when two groups cannot use rp to sort out a situation. you guys demanded pvp, and you lost. As all we intended to do was to apprehend the count and the uncle, you cannot force us to rp that we killed the count. We apprehended him, I'm not going to repeat this. The gm didn't bring Tiber back as he refused to in our pms to him, instead the gm allowed us to rp what happened to him, and such we did. We rp'd putting him under house-arrest, and that was rp I detailed in the wiki page. You are at this point making ridiculous arguments, and I honestly can't believe you're still persisting with it. Stop please as I don't want this to drag on any further. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Lego: You can't continue the rp with someone when they aren't there, and he made a PK post as well. This meaning the character died within the room weither you intended to or not. It was written and documented. Another thing is that you never claimed in rp nor in posts that you didn't murder him. There I rest my case.
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501warhead: Hey all, to give an update - if a player is downed in PvP and the combat ends at that moment the decision is roleplay, should a character die this is considered the "resolution" to combat. Combat is the equivalent to "Fade to Black" for other actions, the combat cuts into PvP but after the PvP is finished it transitions into RP. If a character dies due to this PvP this effect is in RP, and should the downed player pursue PK due to said combat it would indeed be considered RP at that stage. If you have any questions about this feel free to @ me in discord or DM me.
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Wapples; Hey 501. I understand that if a player is killed through pvp then combat ends and it transitions to rp as if that player's character has died. However my understanding, which was confirmed with the gm (s) at the time, was that we have the option to either pick the player up and continue rp as if we had won this "combat" which would have been a simple scurry to grab the boy. Like the example I used above, this situation is ridiculous. They are forcing rp onto our characters by deliberately dieing by /d 40'ing. We have the choice, we won the pvp, we can either continue rp or kill them and be done with it, which would lead to their death in rp. However we didn't make this choice, they forced this on to us. This situation could arguably be different if pvp ensued after we were attempting to /kill/ the boy. However pvp ensued after we attempted to apprehend him, not harm him as they called defender pvp default. Why are we being forced to make up some shitty story where our characters are apparently evil villains who kill 8yr old boys at court, when we did everything in rp to prevent any death. And the argument of the boy getting hit in the crossfire, nah it wouldn't have happened. The guards protecting the king would have been skilled enough to not have killed the boy through any sort of combat sequence in rp. We are forced to act in pvp to down the player who plays the 8yr old otherwise he would have downed all of us. Again, it was forced onto us and it's completely unfair as it makes our characters look like some some sort of villain, and the gms around at the time did indeed confirm that after pvp the victors get to resume rp if they wish, it is not the choice of the party that lost the pvp.
Talk Page Conventions
Hey all, I appreciate that you are keeping this to a discussion instead of starting an editing war. I simply wanted to suggest taking a look at the Talk Page conventions: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages . It may make discussing on the wiki like this easier and more clear. --Destinator8 (talk) 00:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
